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ORO.FTL.225 Standby and Duties at the Airport
The modification of limits on flight duty, duty and rest periods under the provisions of ORO.FTL.225 complies with the following:
(a) Airport standby
(1) If not leading to the assignment of an FDP, airport standby is followed by a rest period as specified in ORO.FTL.235.
(2) If an assigned FDP starts during airport standby, the following applies:
(i) the FDP counts from the start of the FDP. The maximum FDP is reduced by any time spent on standby in excess of 4 hours;
(ii) the maximum combined duration of airport standby and assigned FDP as specified in ORO.FTL.205(b) and (d) is 16 hours.
(b) Standby other than airport standby:
(1) the maximum duration of standby other than airport standby is 16 hours;
(2) The operator’s standby procedures are designed to ensure that the combination of standby and FDP do not lead to more than 18 hours awake time;
GM1 CS FTL.1.225(b)(2) Standby
(3) 25% of time spent on standby other than airport standby counts as duty time for the purpose of ORO.FTL.210;
(4) standby is followed by a rest period in accordance with ORO.FTL.235;
(5) standby ceases when the crew member reports at the designated reporting point;
(6) if standby ceases within the first 6 hours, the maximum FDP counts from reporting;
(7) if standby ceases after the first 6 hours, the maximum FDP is reduced by the amount of standby time exceeding 6 hours;
(8) if the FDP is extended due to in-flight rest according to CS FTL.1.205(c), or to split duty according to CS FTL.1.220, the 6 hours of paragraph (6) and (7) are extended to 8 hours;
(9) if standby starts between 23:00 and 07:00, the time between 23:00 and 07:00 does not count towards the reduction of the FDP under (6), (7) and (8) until the crew member is contacted by the operator; and
(10) the response time between call and reporting time established by the operator allows the crew member to arrive from his/her place of rest to the designated reporting point within a reasonable time.
Understanding EASA ORO.FTL 2016 
Regarding standby other than airport.
If standby time start between 23.00 and 07.00. And call for duty is made after 07.00.
Does that also mean that max 18 hours awake time count from 07.00. Or is it standby starting time if earlier.
Cheers
Erik
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I am interpreting that the time between 23:00 and 07:00LT is not considered awake time anyway, so it shouldn’t count towards the 18 hours either, right?
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(OSB) Standby other than Airport standby, the time from 23:00 to 07:00 (or time of notification, whichever is earlier) is not applied towards the reduction of FDP for when the OSB ends after 6:00 (8:00 for Augmented or Split FDP).
examples:
1) a CM on OSB starting at 0:00 is called at 06:00 to report for a Basic FDP at 13:30. The OSB will end at 13:00, the time from 06:00 to 13:30 (7:30) is counted in full and the FDP must be reduced for that time that exceeds 6:00 on OSB (1:30). The CM is now considered to be awake at 06:00, meaning that the FDP must end no later than 18:00 from point of contact or 24:00 (midnight).
2) Had the CM been contacted at 08:00 to report for the same FDP at 13:30, only the time from 07:00 to 13:30 would be considered OSB in excess of 6:00 for 0:30, requiring a reduction in the FDP limit by 0:30. The CM is considered to be awake at 07:00, and must end the FDP no later than 18:00 later (01:00 the next day).
3) a variation on example 1, for a CM on OSB starting at 22:00, is contacted at 06:00 for the same FDP starting at 13:30, in this case the time from 22:00 to 23:00 is also counted towards the FDP reduction, so the total OSB time would be 8:30, thus requiring a reduction of the basic FDP limit by 2:30.
The 18:00 time awake, are to be in accordance to procedures designed by the Airline.
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If an OSB starts at 20h and finishes at 01h. And CM is called to report at 23h. What is the maximum FDP? The CM has been awake for the whole day.
Thank you
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In your example the OSB that begins at 20:00, the OSB must end no later than 12:00 the next day, as the limit in CS FTL.1.225(b)(1) is 16:00.
I assume the the 01:00 end time is the scheduled end time of the OSB, and that 23:00 is the actual time when the OSB ends and the FDP starts.
The time on OSB is legal.
The actual total time on OSB is 3:00 (20:00 to 23:00), since this time is less than 6:00, there is no required reduction of FDP from the basic FDP limit established in table 2, so a FDP that starts at 23:00 will range in value from 11:00 to 9:00 depending on the number of flight segments.
If we assume that the FDP has 4 segments, that would mean that the FDP must be scheduled to end no later than 09:00 the next day. We further assume that the FDP is not a Split Duty or Augmented FDP.
You now claim that the CM has been “awake the whole day”. As no specific time as to when the CM first awoken is given,
I will need to assume that the following provision is true:
(2) The operator’s standby procedures are designed to ensure that the combination of standby and FDP do not lead to more than 18 hours awake time;
In your OM the airline should have some procedures to establish at what time of day a CM is assumed to have awoken.
There are various procedures being used, some state that a CM arises at 07:00 each day,
while others state that the CM arises 1 hour before start of the OSB.
The OM should state what procedure(s) is/are to be used, and CM should follow as closely as possible such procedures(s).
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In my Airline we spend standby in the airport also during the night without any access to food and drink. Is this possible under the law? Our is called airport duty not airport standby, because we don’t have a suitable accommodation.
Thanks very much
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There are two aspects to consider:
1) is it required to provide a suitable accommodation while serving on Airport Standby (ASB),
No, it is not required, should the ASB be for an extended period of time, it is “recommended” that a suitable accommodation be provided to prevent fatigue.
2) is it required to provide food and water while a crewmember is on duty?
ORO.FTL.240 provides the following:
(a) During the FDP there shall be the opportunity for a meal and drink in order to avoid any detriment to a crew member’s performance, especially when the FDP exceeds 6 hours.
(b) An operator shall specify in its operations manual how the crew member’s nutrition during FDP is ensured.
So if the ASB will exceed 6:00, the Operator should provide Food and Drink.
Please consult with the EASA, your local CAA and your Airline as they may be able to provide better insight.
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My Standby Starts from 05:00 and ends at 17:00. I recieve a call at 12:00 (within the OSB) to report for a duty starting at 17:15 and ending at 23:00.
Is this legal?
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Renzo,
My Standby Starts from 05:00 and ends at 17:00. I received a call at 12:00 (within the OSB) to report for a duty starting at 17:15 and ending at 23:00. Is this legal?
The EASA provided the following CS:
CS FTL.1.225 Standby
The modification of limits on flight duty, duty and rest periods under the provisions of ORO.FTL.225 complies with the following:
(b) Standby other than airport standby:
(1) the maximum duration of standby other than airport standby is 16 hours;
(2) The operator’s standby procedures are designed to ensure that the combination of standby and FDP do not lead to more than 18 hours awake time;
(3) 25% of time spent on standby other than airport standby counts as duty time for the purpose of ORO.FTL.210;
(4) standby is followed by a rest period in accordance with ORO.FTL.235;
(5) standby ceases when the crew member reports at the designated reporting point;
(6) if standby ceases within the first 6 hours, the maximum FDP counts from reporting;
(7) if standby ceases after the first 6 hours, the maximum FDP is reduced by the amount of standby time exceeding 6 hours;
(8) if the FDP is extended due to in-flight rest according to CS FTL.1.205(c), or to split duty according to CS FTL.1.220, the 6 hours of paragraph (6) and (7) are extended to 8 hours;
(9) if standby starts between 23:00 and 07:00, the time between 23:00 and 07:00 does not count towards the reduction of the FDP under (6), (7) and (8) until the crew member is contacted by the operator; and
(10) the response time between call and reporting time established by the operator allows the crew member to arrive from his/her place of rest to the designated reporting point within a reasonable time.
Let me make a couple of assumptions:
1) the cm is in an acclimated state.
2) The FDP is not a Split Duty or Augmented FDP.
3) The FDP only has two sectors.
The scheduled duration of the OSB is 12:00 – 17:00 – 05:00, this is less than the 16:00 required under
(CS FTL.1.225(b)(1)). In other words, the scheduled OSB must end no later than 21:00 = 05:00 + 16:00.
Since the CM was contacted to report for a FDP beginning at 17:15, the OSB now ends at 17:15.
(CS FTL.1.225(b)(5)).
Since the OSB began at 05:00, the time from 05:00 to 07:00 is not applied towards and required reduction of the FDP, in other words measure the time from 07:00 to 17:15 (10:15) and subtract 6:00, the permitted FDP in Table 2 must be reduced 4:15. (CS FTL.1.225(b)(7)&(9)).
Using Table 2 with a FDP starting at 17:15, we find max scheduled FDP is 11:00:
Start of FDP a Sectors
reference time 1 – 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
17:00 – 04:59 11:00 10:30 10:00 9:30 9:00 9:00 9:00 9:00 9:00
So the 11:00 – 4:15 = 6:45, with a FDP starting at 17:15 this means that the FDP must be scheduled to end no later than 00:00 midnight = 17:15 + 6:45.
The Airline must also have procedures to ensure that the CM must not be awake more than 18:00
(CS FTL.1.225(b)(2)). If we also assume that the CM is awake at 05:00, then the combined OSB/FDP must end no later than 18:00 later at 23:00 = (05:00 + 18:00.
The combined OSB and FDP ending at 23:00 is legal, however it may not be extended past 23:00 due to 18:00 time awake limit.
The airlines OM should contain all the procedures for OSB and FDP and they may differ from what I am showing you. I suggest you check with your Airline, local Union or your local CAA, as they will have be able to provide better guidance.
/Garret
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GOOD MOORNING
its not clear to me.
Since the OSB began at 05:00, the time from 05:00 to 07:00 is not applied towards and required reduction of the FDP, in other words measure the time from 07:00 to 17:15 (10:15) and subtract 6:00, the permitted FDP in Table 2 must be reduced 4:15. (CS FTL.1.225(b)(7)&(9)).
WHY SUBTRACT 6,00???
Thnak for your help
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The way I interpret the text of the provision:
(7) if standby ceases after the first 6 hours, the maximum FDP is reduced by the amount of standby
time exceeding 6 hours;
Is that only the amount of time on OSB above 6:00 is to be applied towards the reduction.
To be fair, your airline may have a differently written provision in your approved OM; and if that is true, then you should follow the OM.
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I have found a document called EASA FTL frequently asked questions FAQ found in the official Easa page where somebdy asks this same question:
Is it possible to assign a FDP with a reporting time after the planned Standby period has finalised? and the answer they give is.
A crew member should not be assigned an FDP starting after the standby
period has ended. CS FTL.1.225(b)(5) states that standby ceases when
the crew member reports. Point (4) states that standby is followed by a
rest period. A rest period should therefore start at the rostered end of
standby. The extension of a standby period beyond the rostered
finishing time is not foreseen in the rule
I copy the link https://www.easa.europa.eu/system/files/dfu/FAQ_FTL_updated_2015-07-31.pdf
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Angela,
A Standby(SBY), Standby at Airport (ASB), may be rostered for a duration that is less than the limitations contained in CS FTL.1.225.
In the case of a SBY the limitation is 16:00.
So, a CM may be rostered for a SBY for just 12:00 starting at 08:00 and ending at 20:00.
During that 12:00 SBY the CM may be notified to an assignment that contains FDP. The FDP does not need to start during the 12:00 span.
Once notified of a FDP the following conditions should be satisfied:
1) The FDP may start after a legal rest period from the point in time of notification, meaning that the SBY should be revised to reflect the proper end time to permit a rest period.
OR
2) Like wise, the SBY may be extended to end at the time of report of the FDP, under the following conditions:
a) the time from start of the SBY to start of the FDP may not exceed 16:00 (CS FTL.1.225(b)(1)
b) if the SBY ends within the first 6:00 then the FDP begins at report for the FDP and is limited as a normal FDP. (CS FTL.1.225(b)(6)
c) if the SBY ends after 6:00 then the FDP begins at report for the FDP, but the FDP must be limited by the amount above 6:00. (CS FTL.1.225(b)(7)
d) if the FDP assigned is either a Split Duty or is extended by in-flight rest, the 6:00 cutoff is 8:00. (CS FTL.1.225(b)(8)
e) the combined SBY / FDP must also ensure that the CM will not be awake for more than 18:00. (GM1 CS FTL.1.225(b)(2)
Should the CM be rostered for a 12:00 SBY starting at 08:00 and ending at 20:00, and no FDP has been assigned by 20:00, then the CM is free to begin a rest period. (CS FTL.1.225(b)(4)
Once the CM has completed the rostered SBY, it may not be extended, but during the SBY it may be extended up to the permissible limitations once notification to the CM has been given.
/Garret
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Hi Garret,
What is the mínimum rest period at home base before a stand-by ,other than airport ,after a duty period of less than 12 h for example ?
Thank you very much
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What is the mínimum rest period at home base before a stand-by, other than airport, after a duty period of less than 12 h for example ?
I will assume that the standby period is at home base.
ORO.FTL.225 mandates:
(a) standby and any duty at the airport shall be in the roster and the start and end time of standby shall be defined and notified in advance to the crew members concerned to provide them with the opportunity to plan adequate rest;
This in essence states that before the standby begins the crew member will be on a rest period, that rest period is subject to the limitation of ORO.235 (a) which mandates that the minimum rest period of 12:00 is to be provided, however the crew member may have the rest period reduced when the company provides a suitable accommodation to no less than 10:00.
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The point 3 states that the 25% of the stby counts as a duty time for the purpose of the 7/14/28 days reffering to the duty and 28 days/ one calendar year/ 12 consecutive months reffering to the flight duty. My question is, does the 25% apply to the daily duty too?
For example, I am on stby since 4am and I am called out at 11am to report at 3 pm , does the 25% of those hours count to my duty period on that day? Do I count from 4am or from the time The duty is asigned?
Thank you .
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Patricia,
Standby is only applied towards the 7-14 and 28 day duty limitation at a rate of 25 percent.
With respect to daily limitations, The Daily FDP limit (Table 2) is reduced by the amount of Standby that exceeds 6:00 when the FDP is not extended due to in-flight rest or split duty.
Should the FDP be extended due to in-flight rest or split duty, then the reduction is based upon the amount of standby that exceeds 8:00.
Should the Standby start between 23:00 and 07:00, the time from the start of the Standby until the crew member is contacted or 7:00, whichever is earlier is not applied towards the reduction.
In all cases the combined standby and FDP needs to ensure that the crewmember is not awake more than 18 hours.
/Garret
CS FTL.1.225(b) Standby
(b) Standby other than airport standby:
(5) standby ceases when the crew member reports at the designated reporting point;
(6) if standby ceases within the first 6 hours, the maximum FDP counts from reporting;
(7) if standby ceases after the first 6 hours, the maximum FDP is reduced by the amount of standby time exceeding 6 hours;
(8) if the FDP is extended due to in-flight rest according to CS FTL.1.205(c), or to split duty according to CS FTL.1.220, the 6 hours of paragraph (6) and (7) are extended to 8 hours;
(9) if standby starts between 23:00 and 07:00, the time between 23:00 and 07:00 does not count towards the reduction of the FDP under (6), (7) and (8) until the crew member is contacted by the operator;
GM1 CS FTL.1.225(b)(2) Standby
AWAKE TIME
Scientific research shows that continuous awake in excess of 18 hours can reduce the alertness and should be avoided.
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Hello, in my airline company we have standby 45 min,(S45 on roster) so when we are called during the standby we have to be at the corresponding airport between 45 min. But for the crew member who leaves near the airport he can stay at home but for the crew member who can not reach the airport between 45 min, this crew member waits in the car, on the parking and sometimes also at the pomp fuel at a distance between home and airport and this also during the night … it’s not safe and it increases fatigue for the crew member before perform his duty. My question is: is it legal to oblige the crew member called in standby to reach the airport in 45 min? if the crew member can not do it, what can the airline do? give a suitable accomodation or give more time to reach the airport? we have only the code S45 on our roster, without specifications like airport standby or home standby.
thank you very much for your explanations
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Can the operator cease the pre notified standby in advance, so to allow the duty of the next day?
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A Standby may be terminated ‘early’. When doing so, the crew member must be placed into a rest period in accordance with ORO.FTL.235. 10:00 is the minimum rest period away from base or if a suitable accommodation is being provided at base. The rest period, should be of sufficient duration and timing to permit the crew member to actually get 8:00 sleep.
Suppose a crew member begins a standby at 8:00 after a 12:00 rest period, the standby is terminated 09:00 with a ‘new’ rest period for 12:00 with a duty starting at 21:00, the crew member may have ‘trouble’ getting the 8:00 sleep. This could lead to a crew member being assigned to a FDP, yet being continually awake for more than 18:00.
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Hi it’s possible to make a standby away from home base? for example: in layover?
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Marco,
In short, yes.
Standby and Reserve are controlled by the following:
ORO.FTL.225 Standby and Duties at the Airport
CS FTL.1.225 Standby
GM1 CS FTL.1.225 Standby
GM1 CS FTL.1.225(b) Standby
GM1 CS FTL.1.225(b)(2) Standby
ORO.FTL.230 Reserve
CS FTL.1.230 Reserve
GM1 ORO.FTL.230(a) Reserve
GM1 CS FTL.1.230 Reserve
GM2 CS FTL.1.230 Reserve
GM1 CS FTL.1.230(c) Reserve
No where in the regulations does it state that the ASB, SBY or RSV must be served only at base.
As long as the CM will have the proper rest
before
starting the assignment and abides by the limitations related to the specific assignment, it is legal.
At no time is a CM who is on ASB, SBY or RSV to be considered at rest, so the time served may not be applied towards any rest period including any Recurrent Extended Recovery Rest Period (RERRP).
/Garret
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Hey.
I have a question regarding the combination of a standby and FDP, and keeping the standby at roster even if you have been given a FDP.
1: If you have a standby-duty fra 0335 to 1730. And you get a call from the operator at 2100 the night before to report at 0615 and end at 1835. Kan the operator still keep the standby ahead of the FDP at your roster from 0335 to 0615?
2: If you have a standby from 0335 to 1730. You get a call to report at 0700 and end FDP at 1300. Can the operator still keep the standby after FDP to 1730?
3: When you get your roster release is the operator allowed to already give you a callout several days ahead, and still keep part of the standby hours on roster? Example:
Standby from 0500-1330, then FDP from 1330 to 2130.
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You asked the following:
I have a question regarding the combination of a standby and FDP, and keeping the standby at roster even if you have been given a FDP.
1: If you have a standby-duty fra 0335 to 1730. And you get a call from the operator at 2100 the night before to report at 0615 and end at 1835. Kan the operator still keep the standby ahead of the FDP at your roster from 0335 to 0615?
2: If you have a standby from 0335 to 1730. You get a call to report at 0700 and end FDP at 1300. Can the operator still keep the standby after FDP to 1730?
3: When you get your roster release is the operator allowed to already give you a callout several days ahead, and still keep part of the standby hours on roster? Example:
Standby from 0500-1330, then FDP from 1330 to 2130.
There can be reasons other than EASA FTL legalities for the originally scheduled activities to remain present on the roster. Payroll, and Union Requirements may require such an accounting.
For the purpose of my response I will only address the EASA FTL.
With respect to situation 1, I have a question, “Why is the operator contacting the CM during the rest period?”, If a CM is assigned to start the SBY at 3:35, it would be reasonable to assume that the 10:00 period before the start of the SBY (17:35 to 3:35) would be protected thus allowing for the CM to be resting.
With a notification at 21:00 for the CM to begin an FDP at 6:15 this amounts to only 9:15 for the CM to rest, but it would not qualify as a rest period, thus, I would have viewed this as an illegal roster, regardless as to whether the SBY is on the roster or not.
Had the CM not been contacted until after the start of the SBY, then the roster should reflect at that time the CM was on SBY from 3:35 to 6:15, and then on FDP from 6:15 to 18:35. This would reflect a legal roster, but it is important to note that the CM is contacted after the start of the SBY.
With respect to situation 2, I take it that you mean the time from 13:00 to 17:30 will be considered as Airport Standby (ASB), as the CM is at the Airport already. Yes, it would be legal, the operator is permitted to require a CM to remain on FDP even if no further flying is eventually assigned. As long all remaining provisions of ORO.FTL are observed it is legal. The Roster should reflect SBY 03:35 – 07:00 FDP 07:00 to 13:30 ASB 13:30 to 17:30.
With respect to situation 3, I take it you mean that the CM was notified more than 10:00 in advance of the start of the FDP. The evaluation of EASA FTL should be based upon just the FDP 13:30 to 21:30.
I believe that there seems to be some influence that at certain times CM’s are being treated as RESERVE (RSV) (ORO.FTL.230). When a CM is on RSV and is notified of duty assignment, the RSV is ended and the CM is placed into a rest period that complies with ORO.FTL.235 and then will subsequently begin the FDP.
I hope my response helps you…as always please discuss with your airline / union and your local CAA as they may be able to provide better guidence.
/Garret
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Thank you for the answer.
And thank you for only answering around FTL.
At my airline we don’t have airport standby. But is this in reality to understand as an airport standby?
At example nr 2: CM is allowed to travel home after a FDP from 0700-1300, but the operator keeps the standby on roster from 1300-1730, and may give the CM a call number 2, after CM has left the airport.
CM then have 90 min to report again.
The operator define this as SBA (standby after FDP) Not airport standby.
Hope you can enlighten me, on how this is possible under FTL regulations, or if the operator has to state to CM that this in reality is airport standby on his/her roster. Even though CM is allowed to travel home.
Thank you.
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As a follow-up to your second request:
At my airline we don’t have airport standby. But is this in reality to understand as an airport standby?
Yes, Once the crew member reports for an assignment at the airport, they are on duty and will remain on FDP until there is no further intent for the crew member to fly.
At example nr 2: CM is allowed to travel home after a FDP from 0700-1300, but the operator keeps the standby on roster from 1300-1730, and may give the CM a call number 2, after CM has left the airport.
CM then have 90 min to report again.
The operator define this as SBA (standby after FDP) Not airport standby.
Hope you can enlighten me, on how this is possible under FTL regulations, or if the operator has to state to CM that this in reality is airport standby on his/her roster. Even though CM is allowed to travel home
With Standby other than Airport Standby (SBY), EASA made clear and distinct requirements for when a SBY leads to a FDP as to when the SBY ends and when the FDP begins. CS FTL.1.225(b)(5).
There is no supporting provisions for a FDP that leads to a SBY.
To keep the crew member available to work a flight should it become available to me shows that there is intent, and once a FDP begins it continues until there is no further intent. Yes, I am borrowing from FAA interpretations concerning FDP under FAR 117, so the local CAA’s in Europe could have differing interpretations.
So, I would view the SBA as you describe to actually be Airport Standby (ASB).
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Thank you so much for answering.
I have another question regarding SBA, when the CM is allowed (due to union agreement) to travel home (SBA which in reality is airport standby), and then gets a second call:
This can lead to a split duty where you stay at home between two FDP’s.
I assume the operator is not allowed to make this in to a split duty in CM’s roster? (The operator sets hotel in the roster, when the CM in reality has been at home)
Will this qualify as accomodation/rest? Where can I find certion provisions that support / or not support this?
Seems like our operator is a bit creative in this matter, compared to other companies.
Thank you again.
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In response to your third request on this matter:
I have another question regarding SBA, when the CM is allowed (due to union agreement) to travel home (SBA which in reality is airport standby), and then gets a second call:
This can lead to a split duty where you stay at home between two FDP’s.
I assume the operator is not allowed to make this in to a split duty in CM’s roster? (The operator sets hotel in the roster, when the CM in reality has been at home)
Will this qualify as accomodation/rest? Where can I find certion provisions that support / or not support this?
Seems like our operator is a bit creative in this matter, compared to other companies.
First I would review the definitions ORO.FTL.105
(6) “break” means a period of time within a flight duty period, shorter than a rest period, counting as duty and during which a crew member is free of all tasks;
And review the rules for split duty ORO.FTL.220
The conditions for extending the basic maximum FDP due to a break on the ground shall be in accordance with the following:
(a) flight time specification schemes shall specify the following elements for split duty in accordance with the certification specifications applicable to the type of operation:
(1) the minimum duration of a break on the ground; and
(2) the possibility to extend the FDP prescribed under point ORO.FTL.205(b) taking into account the duration of the break on the ground, the facilities provided to the crew member to rest and other relevant factors;
(b) the break on the ground shall count in full as FDP;
(c) split duty shall not follow a reduced rest.
My Analysis:
(1) Whether the “Break” is in a location provided by the operator or not is not part of the regulation, it does not explicitly state that the accommodation / suitable accommodation must be provided by the operator.
(2) It could be inferred to as the “Break” is Counted in full as FDP (ORO.FTL.220(b), thus indicating that the operator is still responsible for the accommodations as they will be part of the FDP. (My Opinion).
(3) However, the time at “home” would not qualify as a Break due to the fact that the CM on SBA may be contacted at any time to “resume” the FDP. A CM being “contacted” during the break is NOT free of all tasks. (ORO.FTL.105 (6))
If the CM is informed at the time of completion of the “First FDP” that the are being placed into a “Split Duty”, possibly that would be permitted to be considered as split duty (even if the break is taken at home) but the CM could not then be considered on SBA.
/Garret
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Hi,
Is there a maximum of stand by duty allowed on a monthly cabin crew roster or is it left at the operator’s discretion ?
Also, what is the formula to calculate the max FDP when called out of stand by ?
Thank you in advance !
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Hello Barb,
You asked the following:
Is there a maximum of stand by duty allowed on a monthly cabin crew roster or is it left at the operator’s discretion ?
Also, what is the formula to calculate the max FDP when called out of stand by ?
Standby and Duties at the airport (Airport Standby (ASB)) are covered under ORO.FTL.225 and CS FTL.1.225.
With respect to Airport Standby, the maximum combined ASB and FDP is 16:00, the FDP must still conform to the limitations is ORO.FTL.205 (b) or (d), however the limits as a result of the sections must be reduced when the ASB exceeds 4:00.
Suppose a CM starts a ASB at 06:00 and begins a FDP with 4 sectors at 12:00.
The FDP has a scheduled limitation found in Table 2 as 12:00.
The ASB is 5:00, so the FDP limit must be reduced by the amount of the ASB over 4:00 (1:00), thus, the scheduled FDP limit is 11:00, so the FDP must be scheduled to end no later than 23:00. The 16:00 limitation is applied to the start time of the ASB, 06:00 + 16:00, further restricts the combined ASB and FDP to be scheduled to end no later than 22:00. So in this example, the FDP may be scheduled for no more than 10:00 duration. The FDP may be extended by Commander’s authority by 2:00.
With respect to Standby other than Airport Standby (OSB):
The maximum duration for OSB is 16:00.
If the OSB exceeds 6:00, the FDP assigned is reduced by ethe duration of the OSB above 6:00, there is no combined OSB and FDP limitation.
Suppose a CM starts a OSB at 04:00 and begins a FDP with 4 sectors at 11:00.
The FDP has a scheduled limitation found in Table 2 as 12:00.
The OSB is 7:00, so the FDP limit must be reduced by the amount of the osb over 6:00 (1:00), thus, the scheduled FDP limit is 11:00, so the FDP must be scheduled to end no later than 22:00. So in this example, the FDP may be scheduled for no more than 11:00 duration. The FDP may be extended by Commander’s authority by 2:00.
/Garret
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Hi Garret,
GM1 CS FTL.1.225(b)(2) Standby states that 25% of time spent on standby other than airport standby counts as duty time for the purpose of ORO.FTL.210. Does that mean that 25% of time spent on OSB also should be counted as flight time to the limits in ORO.FTL 210 (b)? Or is it only 25% against the limits on duty hours in ORO.FTL. 210 (a)?
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Tommy,
You asked the following:
GM1 CS FTL.1.225(b)(2) Standby states that 25% of time spent on standby other than airport standby counts as duty time for the purpose of ORO.FTL.210.
Does that mean that 25% of time spent on OSB also should be counted as flight time to the limits in ORO.FTL 210 (b)? No, as per the requirement, only Duty Time
Or is it only 25% against the limits on duty hours in ORO.FTL. 210 (a)? Correct, only the cumulative Duty Time.
/Garret
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Hi Garret,
Can an operator make an initial roster with standby duty combined with FDP? Example; SB from 08-14 following a FDP with check-in at 1400. This way the operator have more flexibility to change the crew’s duty during the SB period. Or is this rostering illegal since there should be a rest period after a standby duty?
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Inge,
You asked the following:
Can an operator make an initial roster with standby duty combined with FDP?
Example; SB from 08-14 following a FDP with check-in at 1400.
This way the operator have more flexibility to change the crew’s duty during the SB period.
Or is this rostering illegal since there should be a rest period after a standby duty?
I believe it is legal.
It seems as a creative way of rostering.
In the case presented the FDP as originally rostered would only be limited by the FDP start time (14:00) and number of sectors (Table 2) since the SBY is only 6:00 in duration. CS FTL.1.225 (b)(6) refers.
However; if the Crew member (CM) is advised at 11:00 the FDP will begin at 15:00, the SBY will now be 7:00 in duration, and the scheduled FDP limit will 1:00 less than the amount from Table 2. CS FTL.1.225 (b)(5) & (7) refers.
Under no circumstances may the SBY be longer than 16:00.
Depending on your airlines call-out procedures the airline runs the risk of attempting to notify the CM of the pending change AFTER the CM has left to report as rostered, where by the original SBY will be just 6:00, and the FDP will begin at the originally rostered time.
Your Union and Airline may have differing opinions as well as your local CAA, so please consult with them for your concerns.
I hope this helps you in your understanding.
Thanks for the very unusual question.
/Garret
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Hi Garret, stand-by other than airport stand-by must be followed by minimum rest. Do you think it is correct that my company plan a positioning by car ( 1:30 ) immediatly after the end of a 9 hours stand-by saying that I will have my minimum rest at the end of the positioning?
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It seems legal to me at first glance.
I assume that the Positioning is being provided by the company, so it is not travel local in nature.
So 9:00 SBY and 1:30 Positioning followed by a minimum rest period of 10:00 at a location being provided by the airline away from base (ORO.FTL.235(b)).
25% of the 9:00 time on SBY, (2:15) and the full 1:30 of positioning need to be applied towards the cumulative duty limits in ORO.FTL.210(a).
/Garret
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I have had five days of early home standby. On the second day, I was called for a three day trip. On the fourth day my DP ends at 2210. The company then have to modify my standby time, originally 0655-1655, to 1010-2010 to comply with the rest requirement. Since this is the last day off duty before off, is this legal? Consulting FTL FAQ it says:
A crew member should not be assigned an FDP starting after the standby
period has ended. CS FTL.1.225(b)(5) states that standby ceases when
the crew member reports. Point (4) states that standby is followed by a
rest period. A rest period should therefore start at the rostered end of
standby. The extension of a standby period beyond the rostered
finishing time is not foreseen in the rule.
As I interpret it, my rest period should start at 1655.
Thanks.
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Glenn,
You asked the following:
I have had five days of early home standby. On the second day, I was called for a three day trip. On the fourth day my DP ends at 2210. The company then have to modify my standby time, originally 0655-1655, to 1010-2010 to comply with the rest requirement. Since this is the last day off duty before off, is this legal? Consulting FTL FAQ it says:
A crew member should not be assigned an FDP starting after the standby period has ended.
CS FTL.1.225(b)(5) states that standby ceases when the crew member reports.
Point (4) states that standby is followed by a rest period. A rest period should therefore start at the rostered end of standby.
The extension of a standby period beyond the rostered finishing time is not foreseen in the rule.
As I interpret it, my rest period should start at 1655.
My Response:
Lets examine days 4 and 5:
Home Standby (HSB) as originally rostered 06:55-16:55 day 4 06:55-16:55 day 5.
CM is then assigned a FDP at or before 16:55 with a duty release of 22:10.
The required rest after the FDP is 12:00 ORO.FTL.235(a)(1).
Too accommodate the rest the HSB is re-scheduled to start no earlier than 10:10 day 5. The CM should be notified of all the changes to the HSB on day 5 before starting the rest period.
The HSB is now scheduled 10:10 to 20:10, a duration of 10:00. The duration is within the limits of 16:00 CS FTL.1.225(b)(1). This can be viewed as the Rostered HSB once the HSB has commenced.
If the crew member is no longer assigned to a FDP at or before 20:10, the crew member must then be released into a rest period as required under CS FTL.1.225(b)(4).
Likewise, the HSB may be extended upto the CS FTL.1.225(b)(1) limit (16:00), provided that the notification of extension is done be fore the actual end of the HSB.
Sorry to disagree with you, but from my perspective the Roster seems legal.
You may wish to consult with in your OM, all procedures should be detailed with respect to Standby assignment procedures, including re-scheduling of HSB. Another source you may want to look at is any Union agreement you have. Finally, Your airline should be able to answer your questions regarding these policies.
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Hi!
Can there be SBY after FDP if this combo is provided as notification for crew in previous day?
Say flight, then check out, and 20min after check out sby?
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Standby (SBY) after a FDP without an intervening rest period will need to be considered as Airport Standby even if you leave the airport.
The Entire time is considered Duty and FDP for EASA FTL, but it is legal.
You should discuss this with your airline officials for a better explanation.
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But then fifth point that stanby ceases is not used?!!!
In this case, I had stanby and in previois day they pit me flight and left sby after it.
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Correct, CS FTL.1.225 (b) is not applied in its entirety. paragraph (a) will need to be applied.
Once a CM reports at a designated reporting point, that Crew member is on Duty (regardless of what the task is).
This is why, if the task is SBY, that it needs to be considered ASB (Airport Standby).
So, if the company added the FDP to your roster, and left the SBY on without an intervening rest periods after the FDP, then the SBY must be considered ASB as well as FDP.
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But what’s really the difference? SBY or ASB? They basically can prolong my day anyway?
This usually is done before landing in base from last leg via radio. Pilots just inform CM that he/she will have more FD. How correct is that?!!!
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The only reason I can see is for pay purposes and crew tracking requirements.
Yes, a simple radio/acars message may suffice. … in the end for ORO.FTL the entire span must be accounted for.
I think we both agree, perhaps a simple respectful discussion with your airline officials to clarify the issue is all that will be needed.
/Garret
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It doesn’t make any sense. There has to be rest period after FDP.
FDP and SBY which starts the same time as check out from FDP. Basically it means check in twice in one day.
How can Operator just prolong my day as simpe as this by leaving sby after FDP? Why they don’t plan our schedules like this every day then? Would it be legal as well as long as it meets 16 hour (FDP + SBY) limits?
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Hello.
Having started an home stby at 08h00, is it possible to be assigned to an fdp ending at 03h00am, but having guaranteed 2h00 of in-flight rest (class 1 facility)|?
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Good question.
Given that the total span of time is 19 hours, I would think that the local CAA would look at it as exceeding 18 hours awake, as there is no guarantee that a crew member will actually achieve 2:00 continuous rest, and the quality is somewhat questionable.
Discuss with the local CAA, Airline officials and Union officials. They may have a different opinion.
/Garret
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Thanks for the quick answer.
I’ll try get an answer from our local authority.
This is a proposal insert on a new CLA thaT is being negotiated between my airline and the cabin crew union.
It states, that in every case, the airline garanties that:
“In any situation, it may never take more than 18 hours from the start of the home standby service and the beginning of an opportunity to sleep for at least two consecutive hours as provided in 2.1 and 2.3 of Clause 7a of (Rest and Meal Take);
i. The ailine will advise the Service Commander of this obligation in the presentation to PSV or after, if this obligation his verified after the presentation.”
2.1 refers to airplanes wich features crew rest area (Lower deck mobile crew rest).
2.3 – are airplanes where the in-flight rest is in business class seats ( flat bad), with curtains separting from passengers.
PSV = FDP+30min (post duty).
What do you think of the text?
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Garret!
Can You comment something for me? 🙂
Laura
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Sure, what is the topic?
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UP!
Before Marco’s question. 🙂
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Here is a question: A crew member arrives at the hotel between two FDP’s and get a message from the company. He will have minimum rest and and his reporting time will be reduced from 50 minuets to 35 minuets the next day. This to avoid delaying the flight. His FDP will be 12:55. In other words, if applying normal reporting time of 50 minuets, it would be an extension. Thereby the company avoid the requirement of “shall be planned in advance” and possibly some rest requirements. For info, the rest of the crew reported at normal reporting time of 50 minutes. Is this legal?
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Hello. Can I stand by in another country ?
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Hi Garret,
standby is followed by a rest period in accordance with ORO.FTL.235;
Does this mean stby before FDP planned in original roster is a NO go?
Thanks:-)
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Hello everyone,
I have 2 questions regarding the EASA FTL:
1. If a standby (other standby) is between 0500 and 1500 does that mean that the call for assignment should be made in that time or that reporting time should be in that time?
2. If person has standby (other standby) from 0500 to 1500 and he receives a call for a duty with reporting time at 1200 and duty ends at 2000. How much rest is he obligated to have in base? Or to make it short: does the standby period before RT count as duty for calculating the rest period? If yes, does it count in full (1hr of standby=1hr) or as 25% (1hr of standby=15min)?
Thank you.
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Hello,
You asked the following questions:
1. If a standby (other standby) is between 0500 and 1500 does that mean that the call for assignment should be made in that time or that reporting time should be in that time?
2. If person has standby (other standby) from 0500 to 1500 and he receives a call for a duty with reporting time at 1200 and duty ends at 2000. How much rest is he obligated to have in base? Or to make it short: does the standby period before RT count as duty for calculating the rest period? If yes, does it count in full (1hr of standby=1hr) or as 25% (1hr of standby=15min)?
Yes the call (Notification) should be made between between 05:00 and 15:00.
The maximum permitted time a CM may be on OSB is 16:00. The CM may be scheduled for a shorter period, but the airline is permitted to extend the OSB up to 16:00, so the OSB must conclude by 21:00. Should a CM be assigned to a FDP, the FDP must begin no later than 21:00.
You second questions describes a DP starting at 12:00 and ending at 20:00.
I will assume the the CM has 0:30 of post flight duty, so the assigned FDP is 9:30.
If we assume that your company has a 2:00 callout to FDP start, the latest the CM could be notified is 10:00.
Using a 10:00 notification time we must also look at the OSB start. With a 05:00 OSB start which is between 23:00 and 07:00 we may assume the a CM has not been disturbed and was permitted to sleep, so only the time from 07:00 to 12:00 (5:00) will be used to determine compliance with CS FTL.1.225(b) (6),(7) or (8), in this case (6) is used so no reduction to the Basic FDP Limit is required. The Basic FDP limit may be found in Table B. Had the CM been notified before 06:00, the Reduction to the FDP limit in accordance to case (7) would be required. The amount of the reduction would be 50% of the time before 06:00. In both cases Table B uses the FDP start time (12:00).
So with 4 sectors starting at 12:00, the max scheduled FDP is 12:00. so the FDP must be scheduled to end no later than 24:00/0:00 (midnight). Extensions at or after FDP end past 00:00 will fall under Commander Discretion.
The Commander should be aware that a CM has been assigned from OSB and at what time the CM was nofified. This is required to determine if the CM will exceed 18:00 awake.
If the CM had been notified at 05:00, the latest they should be able to serve is until 23:00 (5:00 + 18:00), if the CM had been notified at 10:00, it is generally assumed that the CM has been awake since 07:00, so 01:00 the next day is that individuals FDP limit.
With respect to rest after the duty period. In either case the amount actual of time on duty or 12:00 is required at base. Duty begins when the CM starts the FDP.
the 25% of the time on OSB, regardless of the time of day is applied towards cumulative duty limits in ORO.FTL.210. So in this case 25% of the time from 05:00 to 12:00 (1:45), and 100% of the time on duty 12:00 to 20:00 (8:00), 9:45 will be applied towards ORO.FTL.210.
Lastly, no time on OSB is to be considered as rest, even if the CM has not been activated, so the Recurrent Extended Recovery Rest Periods (RERRP) in ORO.FTL.235 must be observed.
/Garret
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Thank you for your answer.
You said:
“I will assume the the CM has 0:30 of post flight duty, so the assigned FDP is 9:30.
If we assume that your company has a 2:00 callout to FDP start, the latest the CM could be notified is 10:00.”
Yes, CM has 0:30 of post flight duty, but we do not have a 2:00 callout to FDP start,
CM has 45mins before transport and 45mins for transport to get to the Airport.
We start FDP from the RT.
Please answer me this directly:
Standby: 0800 to 1500
Notification: 1000
RT: 1200
Engine off: 2145 + 0030 post flight duties
How much rest does CM need?
1415 or 1215 or 1015 ?
And from which is it legal for FDP to start?
Thank you very much.
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Thank you for your answer.
You said:
“I will assume the the CM has 0:30 of post flight duty, so the assigned FDP is 9:30.
If we assume that your company has a 2:00 callout to FDP start, the latest the CM could be notified is 10:00.”
Yes, CM has 0:30 of post flight duty, but we do not have a 2:00 callout to FDP start,
CM has 45mins before transport and 45mins for transport to get to the Airport.
We start FDP from the RT.
Please answer me this directly:
Standby: 0800 to 1500
Notification: 1000
RT: 1200
Engine off: 2145 + 0030 post flight duties
How much rest does CM need?
1415 or 1215 or 1015 ?
And from which is it legal for FDP to start?
Thank you very much for your help.
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Hello
What is mininum Rest after SBY not Leading to assignment , Suppose SBY 0000-1400 at home base .
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I assume that the SBY is served at home.
Please refer to CS FTL.1.225 Standby
(4) standby is followed by a rest period in accordance with ORO.FTL.235;
and ORO.FTL.235
(a) Minimum rest period at home base.
(1) The minimum rest period provided before undertaking an FDP starting at home base shall be at least as long as the preceding duty period, or 12 hours, whichever is greater.
However, the rest period may be reduced in accordance to CS FTL.1.235 Rest Periods
(c) Reduced rest
(1) The minimum reduced rest periods under reduced rest arrangements are 12 hours at home base and 10 hours out of base.
(2) Reduced rest is used under fatigue risk management.
(3) The rest period following the reduced rest is extended by the difference between the minimum rest period specified in ORO.FTL.235(a) or (b) and the reduced rest.
(4) The FDP following the reduced rest is reduced by the difference between the minimum rest period specified in ORO.FTL.235(a) or (b) as applicable and the reduced rest.
(5) There is a maximum of 2 reduced rest periods between 2 recurrent extended recovery rest periods specified in accordance with ORO.FTL.235(d).
In short, 12:00 is the absolute minimum if FRMS is used.
I hope this helps. Please check with your Airline, refer to the Operations Manual as different procedures may have been approved by your local NAA.
/Garret
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Hi, can you please help me to double check
– In case of Sby followed by no assignment, if the
home Sby starts between 22:00 and 08:00 local time followed by no assignment, how many duty hours have to be shown on the individual roster?
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Alessandra,
I assume you are referring to how much time while a assigned to home SBY is to be applied toward the cumulative duty time limits in ORO.FTL.210.
CS FTL.1.225 Standby (b)(3) 25% of time spent on standby other than airport standby counts as duty time for the purpose of
ORO.FTL.210;
This provision does not distinguish whether the SBY is further assigned a FDP or not.
So a CM assigned SBY for 12:00 followed by a Rest period of 12:00 will have 3:00 duty applied towards the duty limits.
A CM assigned to a SBY for 4:00 followed by a FDP with 10:00 duty time will have 11:00 applied towards the duty limits.
Do not confuse this with the rest requirements; a CM assigned to SBY for 13:00 followed by a Rest period should be provided a rest period of no less than 13:00. CS FTL.1.225 (b)(4) standby is followed by a rest period in accordance with ORO.FTL.235;
Your OM may require different amounts, so check with your airline.
/Garret
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Thank you for the answer. I think I asked the question the wrong way. I try again with the specific example:
My home Sby started at 07:00 and ended at 15:00. My duty period (shown on my roster is 7:30.
I was not sure why the sby does not count in total al duty time.
Why 7:30 and not 8 hours?
This is due to the fact duty time spent on sby assumes that I’m sleeping and in the time between 10 pm and 8 am it lasts half…
Correct?
Thank you for taking time to answer. I appreciate
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Alessandra,
Hmmm … 7:30 vs 8:30 not sure what the software is programmed to calculate and display.
CS FTL.1.225 (b)(9) if standby starts between 23:00 and 07:00, the time between 23:00 and 07:00 does not count towards the reduction of the FDP under (6), (7) and (8) until the crew member is contacted by the operator;
Seems to be the closest provision I can find to discussing SBY assigned to the overnight period. (b)(9) only applies to the REDUCTION of a FDP under (b)(6), (7) or (8). However, (b)(9), is not for the application of DUTY towards ORO.FTL.210 as provided in (b)(3) (see my previous reply).
Duty is defined as the elapsed time from the start of an activity to the end of the activity.
So the home SBY should display 8:00 duty time or 2:00 duty time for the purposes of ORO.FTL.210.
One possible explanation could be that the value you are seeing is for FDP versus Duty; should your airline operate with a 0:30 post flight duty time (de-brief), Home SBY is generally not considered FDP so I would have expected 0:00, but this is only a theory.
Not sure whether your airline contains any Union agreements, if so, they may override some of the values.
Being that I am not totally familiar with your Airline, I feel you should discuss this with them.
/Garret
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Hallo I have again a question. When I Check in at 3.45 LT in the morning in a Hotel to Start my standby Hotel at 04.00 LT what time does my awake time begin?
Thank you Joanna
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So you asked:
When I Check in at 3.45 LT in the morning in a Hotel to Start my standby Hotel at 04.00 LT what time does my awake time begin?
I assume you are actually discussing 18 hours awake when assigned to other standby (OSB), as provided in:
CS FTL.1.225(b)(2)&(9)
(b) Standby other than airport standby:
(2) The operator’s standby procedures are designed to ensure that the combination of standby and FDP do not lead to more than 18 hours awake time;
(9) if standby starts between 23:00 and 07:00, the time between 23:00 and 07:00 does not count towards the reduction of the FDP under (6), (7) and (8) until the crew member is contacted by the operator;
Depending on your companies procedures as to, what the obligations are for a crewmember (CM) when they begin an OSB, and how much time from notification to report of FDP and at what times of day a CM is ‘reasonably’ expected to be sleeping; it could be construed that even if a CM is assigned to OSB in a hotel, the operator can contact the CM after the start of the OSB regardless of the crewmember being asleep or not.
Provision (9) establishes that it is reasonable that a CM may be asleep between 23:00 and 07:00.
If the company mandates that a CM must ‘check-in’ to start an OSB, then your time awake begins at 03:45.
If the crewmember is permitted to sleep, then the earlier of notification or 07:00 LT would be used to denote when time awake starts.
Your Operations Manual (OM) should contain procedures for CM while assigned to OSB.
I suggest you discuss with your airline, I am confident they should be able to answer your questions better than I am able to.
/Garret
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Hi Wxman,
I have just finished a duty today ending 18:00 local time, it’s now 21:00L. I had a standby duty tomorrow from 10:00L to 15:00L. I have just looked on the roster before going to bed (as always) and the airline has now given me a duty to operate from 06:00L without any communication. Can they do this and is it legal?
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Hi Garret
I just want to know if it is permissible to call a cm on his standby other than airport standby on Monday to inform him that his standby on Wednesday has turn into an FDP. It’s like a change of roster.
As per the definition
Standby’ means a pre-notified and defined period during which a crew member must be available to receive an assignment for a flight, positioning or other duty without an intervening rest period.
It’s doesn’t mention any notification to change a subsequent standby into an FDP but only to give an assignment for a flight , positioning or other duty WITHOUT AN INTERVENING REST PERIOD.
Would like to have your opinion on this.
Thanks
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First look at the definitions:
(20) “reserve (RSV)” means a period of time during which a crew member is required by the operator to be available to receive an assignment for an FDP, positioning or other duty notified at least 10 hours in advance;
(25) “standby (SBY)” means a pre-notified and defined period of time during which a crew member is required by the operator to be available to receive an assignment for a flight, positioning or other duty without an intervening rest period;
Both share a common part of the definition – means a pre-notified and defined period of time during which a crew member is required by the operator to be available to receive an assignment for a flight, positioning or other duty.
An individual who is assigned SBY is not ‘guaranteed’ to be assigned a duty that will begin during his/her SBY as the rules even stipulate an exception for a SBY that will not lead to a duty (CS FTL.1.225(b)(4)), the individual just needs to be given a reasonable response time between contact and report for duty (CS FTL.1.225(b)(10)).
It sounds legal to me, I suggest you contact the airline to provide further guidance to address your concerns.
/Garret
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Dear Garret
Let’s say I’m on OSB 6:00 to 18:00 on Monday
And also OSB on Wednesday 14:00 to 23:00
Can the airline call me during the OSB period on Monday and change the OSB on Wednesday into an FDP.?? Whereby this will be accounted as a roster change.
And there is no reason to do so since I will be on OSB on Wednesday and they can call me to assign me that specific FDP on Wednesday itself.
The standby definition is rather clear.
Standby’ means a pre-notified and defined period during which a crew member must be available to receive an assignment for a flight, positioning or other duty WITHOUT AN INTERVENING REST PERIOD.
It is understood that STANDBY period must be used by the airline for a specific purpose as defined above and assign the CM a duty without an intervening rest period and nothing mentioned for a change of roster. With intervening rest period.
I see this as a change in the definition and exact purpose of STANDBY.
Grateful to have your opinion.
Thanks
Jar
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It’s legal.
An OSB assigned a FDP with no intervening rest must also comply with the restraints in CS FTL.1.225(b).
In such instances, it is difficult to ensure that a crewmember (CM) will not be awake more than 18:00.
Treating an OSB like a Reserve (RSV) permits a CM to plan his/her rest period to optimise for the FDP now assigned.
This type of process has a few advantages:
1) to ensure against being awake more than 18:00 (CS FTL.1.225(b)(2))
2) foregoes the response time; notification to report time (CS FTL.1.225(b)(10))
Unless your approved OM and/or the CBA has different procedures, I honestly believe it’s safe and legal.
Please discuss with crew scheduling for better clarification.
/Garret
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Dear Garret
Please enlighten regarding the duties that adds up towards the 18 hours awake time.
Let’s say I’m on OSB from 800 to 1800 and I get a call at 1200 for an FDP that starts at 1400. The duration of the FDP is 10 hours. Sby ends at 1400. Means my total OSB is 6 hours
I know OSB count only partly towards cumulative duty , 25%
I want to know is , does this 25% also applies when calculating the awake time or as specified above , I should add 6 hrs + 10hrs + post flight 1hr = 17 hrs
Or should I take only 25% of 6hrs of OSB.
Awaiting your input Garrett.
Thanks
Abdool
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Abdool
The relevant provisions of CS FTL.1.225(b)
(b) Standby other than airport standby:
(1) the maximum duration of standby other than airport standby is 16 hours;
(2) The operator’s standby procedures are designed to ensure that the combination of standby and
FDP do not lead to more than 18 hours awake time;
(3) 25% of time spent on standby other than airport standby counts as duty time for the purpose of ORO.FTL.210;
(4) standby is followed by a rest period in accordance with ORO.FTL.235;
(5) standby ceases when the crew member reports at the designated reporting point;
(6) if standby ceases within the first 6 hours, the maximum FDP counts from reporting;
(7) if standby ceases after the first 6 hours, the maximum FDP is reduced by the amount of standby
time exceeding 6 hours;
(8) if the FDP is extended due to in-flight rest according to CS FTL.1.205(c), or to split duty according
to CS FTL.1.220, the 6 hours of paragraph (6) and (7) are extended to 8 hours;
(9) if standby starts between 23:00 and 07:00, the time between 23:00 and 07:00 does not count
towards the reduction of the FDP under (6), (7) and (8) until the crew member is contacted by
the operator; and
(10) the response time between call and reporting time established by the operator allows the crew
member to arrive from his/her place of rest to the designated reporting point within a reasonable time.
Paragraph (2) instructs the operator to have procedures that will prevent a 18 hours of being awake.
The simplest form is to use time of awake plus 18 hours, so a crewmember(CM) who awakes at 08:00, must end the FDP by 02:00 next day (08:00 + 18:00 = 26:00 (02:00)).
The CS gives some indication as how to design the procedures if we look at paragraph (9).
EASA sets a window from 23:00 to 07:00 as to when a CM is expected to be asleep.
People basically need to be asleep during the WOCL (2:00 to 6:00) and will typically awake between 6:00 to 8:00.
So if the CM is on OSB that starts during the 23:00 to 07:00 window and is contacted before 07:00 for an assignment it would be reasonable to use the time of contact (06:30), if the CM is contacted after 07:00 it would be reasonable to use the end of the sleep window (07:00).
For OSBs that start outside the sleep window it is simplest to just use the start time of the OSB, in your case 8:00.
Simplest may not be the most scientific, as a CM assigned to OSB that starts at 12:00 could actually be awake 7:00 so internal discussions within your airline as how to handle time awake should resolve this issue.
The end of the 18:00 awake window should be used as a hard expiration time for the FDP, the expiration time should be applied to planned and extended due to unforeseen circumstances FDP’s.
Lets fully examine your example:
OSB from 800 to 1800 and I get a call at 1200 for an FDP that starts at 1400.
Let’s assume that the FDP has 4 sectors, so the basic FDP limit is 11:30.
The end of the awake period is 02:00 (8:00 + 18:00).
The time from 14:00 to 02:00 is 12:00; so the FDP limit including extension is 12:00.
/Garret
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Between 2300L and 0900L on minimum rest (10 hours at a hotel). From 0900L rostered std by duty at the hotel. Is it legal for the operator to send a (passive) email during the rest period requesting me to report at 0900L at the gate to do a flight duty, ETD 0915L? (Note the std by duty gets replaced on the roster by the FDP starting 0915L and is not shown anymore).
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Dear Garret
Greetings
Let’s say I’m on OSB from 1400 to 1800
I got a call at 1400 for an FDP starting at 2115 with an allowable FDP of 11hrs
The schedule FDP for this flight is 13hrs 45 ,so an inflight rest is mandatory for extension.
If I go by simple mathematics whereby the operator is in control (ie: standby and FDP combined should not exceed 18 hours) without any assumption about the time at which the crew woke up.
This makes 1400 to 2115= 7hr15 standby
+
13hr45 FDP
=
21hrs Awake time
Which is far beyond 18hrs awake time.
What I want to know is :
Is it correct for the airline to assume that the crew can rest from the time they placed the call ie 1400 to 2115 and this will reduce the awake time.
Or
Another assumption that the FDP is qualified for an inflight rest , so this will reduce my awake up time.
Or
The rule for cockpit crew and cabin crew differs on this clause.
Do you think this is correct and legal?
Would be glad to read your input.
Thanks
JAR
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